76ers Fandom, NBA Chaos & Creative Culture w/ Dave Hartley

What happens when you mix Philly basketball angst, touring-musician coffee rituals, and the creative spirit of The War on Drugs?
In this episode, bassist Dave Hartley dives into all of it — from Joel Embiid’s emotional truth to the cultural roots of Drugcember to Remember, to how he balances his band life with his solo project, Nightlands.

We kick things off with coffee talk — pour-overs, strange co-ferment experiments, and why musicians obsess over brewing rituals while touring the world. 

And of course… we go deep on the Sixers, the emotional rollercoaster of Philly fandom, the youth movement, Embiid’s complicated greatness, OKC’s rise, the Eastern Conference chaos, and what it means to root for a team that is equal parts hope and heartbreak.

If you love basketball, music culture, Philly stories, and the creative heartbeat behind The War on Drugs, this conversation is for you.

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🔥 Topics Covered
 • Dave’s coffee routine on and off tour
 • Co-ferment coffee experiments & flavor debates
 • The origin and purpose of Drugcember to Remember
 • The War on Drugs’ deep ties to Philadelphia
 • How Dave balances band life with Nightlands
 • Philly fandom: hope, humor, and heartbreak
 • The Sixers’ young core vs. their aging stars
 • OKC’s rise and how it changes the NBA landscape
 • Music recommendations for winter
 • Holiday traditions, gratitude, and creative renewal

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☕️ Helpful Links

The War on Drugs (Official Site)
https://www.thewarondrugs.net

Dave Hartley – Nightlands
https://nightlands.bandcamp.com

Drugcember to Remember (Tickets/Info)
https://www.thewarondrugs.net/drugcember

Johnny Brenda’s – Philadelphia Venue
https://johnnybrendas.com

Cat & Cloud Coffee
https://catandcloud.com

Okonski - Entrance Music https://okonski.bandcamp.com/album/entrance-music

Beach Boys Christmas Album https://shop.thebeachboys.com/products/the-beach-boys-christmas-album-vinyl?srsltid=AfmBOoqWgxvzg4qBqCx3n3Sg9tktHz3Ax-MzQLl5QYOpN2DWEwLr5GK7

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Transcript

 So last time I talked to Jared Truby, I dunno if you know who that is, but he's Cat and cloud, , coffee out in Santa Cruz. Cool. And, we talked about they've got a co ferment, so I gotta ask two, two coffee related questions.

One, have you tried any of those? We the weird coffees, like the co ferments and two. What, how does your coffee routine change when you're off the road? 'cause when you're ever, you're on the road. I'm sure it's a lot different. , Well answer to the first question. I don't know what that is, but I wanna try.

I didn't, I didn't either. Yeah. I was like, oh, okay. , Fancy and pro. I'd probably like it. Um, yeah. So you'll have to connect me with Jared and I'll, he can, he can tell me what that is and, yeah. Yeah, well, they throw it, they throw it in , different things. So they like put in uh, oh gosh, like strawberries with it, with the coffee while it's fermenting and just like bring out , more, you know, flavors I guess.

Kind of, I don't know. I dunno what I mean. That definitely sounds like something I would not like, but yeah, it makes it, but I'm willing to try it. Yeah, it makes it funkier is the way he said it. His was like, pink champagne is what they, well, I wonder how, is it like really forward or is it sort of subtle?

No, it's like, it's like forward, the one I've had one, I've had one and it is like, it's like I would describe it as funkier. So if like, like natural on steroids maybe. Okay. Well, I, I would go, gonna go ahead and say I'm skeptical, but, but I'm willing to try. Yeah. It's, it's a new thing for sure. I mean, yeah, as far as coffee.

Road versus home. It's actually a little bit the same. And that's kind of the whole reason I think, um, musicians get so obsessed with coffee. I think it's because you're in this sort of ever-changing environment and it's kind of one thing you can count on being the same. You can really control it. You know, it's like you wake up and, yeah.

Milwaukee or the Czech Republic or something, or Oslo, and you're like, I want my coffee this way, you know? And we like an anchor. Yeah, for sure. So we usually have like, it's usually a pour over, um, uh, which is what I do every morning, pour over. My dad recently was visiting and he was like, wow, this is. I think I like converted him to the pour over.

Nice. Like, this is amazing. I'm like, yeah, people think fancy, fancy or elevated. Coffee is really complicated. And it's like, actually it's just hot water and like you grind a good bean. Same, same. Everybody tries to tell me that I'm a nerd. I'm like, honestly, I just feel like it's one of the most accessible things that you can get that's also the, the best still.

Like you can have the best and and not have to pay. It's expensive, but in a relative, in relative terms. And I love the ritual of it too, in the routine. And like I said, it's almost like a meditation, making it for myself. Yeah, I mean I did go through like an espresso phase for the past year or so. Which has been fun.

Um, but I think it's a little bit like, uh, uh, like maybe like alcohol where it's like almost a different, and it's like, it's not just the caffeine amount. It's sort of like, it's like a different feeling. The way it hits, the way it hits is like, and I think I realized that like espresso is kind of cracking me out a little bit, uh, because I'd wake up and have a cortado or something.

Yeah, first morning and then I'd have another one. I'd be like grinding my teeth. Like what? The, just pacing the hallway. Yeah. Like sweaty. So, but I still do, so I think the, I love a cortado, but it's more like a treat, you know, once in a while. But That's great. I just love to pour over every day. That's awesome. I want to talk to just a little before we get into basketball about, , upcoming drug ember to remember. I, I, as a, , school principal, definitely appreciate what it means to Oh, cool. . You know, to support schools, especially public public schools. And , , wanted to hear kind of what developed, you mentioned Johnny Brenda's and the, the painting behind you, , coming from that.

So you obviously have a connection to the area, but, uh, why, why there, what's it, what's arts and music programs mean for, for kids? Like what's your connection to all that? Um, well I got two kids who four and seven. Um, and so I understand how. Important education and music and creativity is to them. I'm seeing it and living it every day.

Um, and, uh, I think drug sumber is a way to sort of reaffirm and strengthen our connection to Philadelphia, especially as we, that we have this sort of, or on drugs, diaspora, we're all, all over the country now. Yeah. And um, it sometimes it feels like. We have less of a connection 'cause we're not living there.

Well, we there, some of us still live there, but a, a bunch of us don't. Mm-hmm. And this is kind of the way of being like, no, this is still home for us. And, um, this is a cause that means a lot to us. Um, it's sort of underappreciated. The schools are always suffering. It feels like they get kicked around. Like one of my best friends is this, uh, man, man named Severn Tucker, who works for the Philadelphia, uh, school board.

And he's been my buddy for a long time and he's like on the front lines of all of it. Yeah. You know, he's always commiserating with me about it. And he was one of the, you know, people who inspired us to do this. Um. And yeah, we're really pumped for this year. We have some cool surprises. That's cool. Yeah, I'm exci, I'm excited about it.

We did try to get , tickets. It was, it was a tough, so if you need a principal to introduce you guys, you know, I'm, I'm highly available. Alright. Noted. Uh, yeah, I think it's just a neat thing. Again, like educators so often, especially public educators. It just feels like a lot coming at you, and it's just neat to have, you know, a, a cool aspect because there is so many amazing things that you get out of being at school and especially with the arts.

Like I just saw the, you know, the stranger things out and they have their, uh, cre, creative arts teacher in the show because she obviously meant something to them. So I just think there's lots of connections like that. I love that. A really cool thing you guys are doing. Oh, cool. Yeah, it's gonna be, I, I wish I could like reveal some of the plants, but No, leave the suspense.

The suspense is better. There's plenty of stu too many things get spoiled these days. Um, but yeah, you know, it's so we're it's just feels like home even though it's not really home for me anymore. Yeah, it's, it's, and it's a great connector. It's a connector. And just to answer your other question, Johnny Brenda's is like, I don't know, like it's, it was sort of the hub for us.

It was the hub of the music scene. It was the hub of Fishtown, the neighborhood, which is mm-hmm. We were just talking about this painting, which represents Fishtown to me. Um, and we were the first band ever to play at Johnny. We used to go hang out at Johnny Brenda's. It was a bar. It was the best bar. It was only bar, you know, and you would go and it was the kind of place where, I don't know if you can relate to this.

You would go there not even knowing who would be there, but you just know that your friends would be there in some capacity. Yeah. That's really cool. That's, that's a rare thing to have too. Yeah, it's a time and place. You know, I remember, you know, there's so many great musicians who would just be sitting at the bar and then they opened the upstairs to be a venue and they asked us to play, um, along with, uh, some amazing other bands.

Um, so we would just feel like this connection with it. And we certainly talked. A lot about doing it at a bigger venue, just so more people could come. Yeah. Yeah. And, um, we just, just, Johnny Brus felt right. And I, I do feel like it's become, the scarcity of the ticket has kind of made it like Yeah. Kind of something, something even greater and bigger than we intended because I have people hitting me up constantly, like, can we, I bet any way to get into this thing.

I'm like, sure. It's not impossible. Yeah. But, uh, anyway, yeah, so it's gonna be sweet and, uh, we're really looking forward to it. That's cool. I want to talk before we get into basketball. I had to, I gotta ask about night lands too, because I know that I've seen some like teaser posts of war on drugs in the studio and assume that you're involved in that, obviously heavily, but I'm curious what the rhythm is for you.

Managing side projects when you're off the road too. Like what, how do you carve out time for that? Because I mean, I love your albums, too, and so I think it's just an interesting balance that you, you have to play as a, as a artist, like contributing to, to solo things and a band. Yeah. I mean, it's tricky.

Um, I have basically shelved night lands for the past few years because of. The intensity of the war on drugs, touring schedule. And you guys have been all over the world Yeah. And raising two kids. Yeah. But, um, certainly I have been feeling it bubble up a lot lately. That's good. I did, uh, I've done a few songs for like compilations and stuff.

I just finished a Christmas song that's coming out on this compilation. Um. That I'm really pumped on and I can feel like the sleeping demon start to stir and good. Um, so yeah, I'll, I'll start to work, uh, on some new music. And I mean, it, it's always worked well because the war on drugs, uh, recording process has always been like kind of lengthy.

Mm-hmm. You know, and it's like these epic multi-year. Uh, recording, uh, yeah. You guys have kind of documented them through some of your own podcasts. Just the Yeah. It's, it's never been pieces together. It's really crazy every time. It's really, um, it's always like a deep journey, like a journey to the center of, of the world or the journey to the center of a, of the heart and what it always seems to, it creates space for me to do my own thing.

I think. 'cause I'm, I'm like. You know, there are these times when we're just in the studio recording and you're in that sort of mode of creation. So yeah, that's a way of saying that. Yeah, I'm booting up right now. That's good. That's great. That'll be, that's awesome. I'll, I'll, I'll have to check out the Christmas one.

Did you tease, put that on your social media? Not yet. It's coming out in like eight days or so. Yeah, we're, we'll be teasing it soon. Keep an eye out for that. All right, let's get into the, the Sixers. So you've got the, the heavy slime shirt on. It's dude. So the story behind that was, I, I had, , planned to reach out about, this and talking about, my whole idea was like Philly and Golden State are , two of the most interesting teams in the league this year. 'cause they have these juxtapositions. So Philly has this like older.

Guys that are kind of almost being supplanted by the young squad. And then Golden State's got the Steph Curry and the, the old heads that are still and Jimmy Butler kind of rising. , And I'm listening to, , the watch. And, , with Chris Ryan and, and I, and he, they name dropped the, the heavy slime guy. I just love like, uh, little connections like that. I always have fun finding little, , worm holes to drop down. Um, first of all, I love the watch. Big fan. Big CR head. Big CR head for sure. And I, yeah, the heavy slime, I gotta.

Give major props because this, I feel like this is kind of Philly fandom. I know, right? Like could you, could you do just a podcast on the shirt? I could. It just really sums it sums up the whole experience. Oh my God. So many years. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, things are weird in Philly for sure. And the Sixers so good and bad.. What, what is the emotional truth of being a Philly fan right now?

Like, um, I think there's like the practicality of it, but how do you feel as a Philly fan? Because there's a lot going on. , God, there's a lot of self-hatred. Um, there's a lot of, um, it's really, it's really complicated because it's sort of like, I hate this team. But, but don't, don't you dare say a bad thing about it.

Right. Yeah. I, , is this the most Philly team ever? It's so Philly. It's, I think I have such a complicated relationship with Indeed. , Because I think I really, I think I really love him as a person. Mm-hmm. Or what I think, or who, I think, I don't know him, but like who I believe him to be. I just really.

Relate to like his humanism and his vulnerability and like his foibles and all of it. But as a player it's like pretty maddening to the point where, you know, he is a, he's a really frustrating player to root for, but he's also given me so much joy at the same time when he is, you know, when he is been on, .

But yeah, we are, we're in an interesting spot now with this sort of youth revolution. , The three young guards who I think are all great, , contrasted with Paul George Embi, who are just sort of like dead money kind of. Yeah, they are. And I, I think that's where they sit in the, the landscape. I, I really thought of them as one of the most interesting teams.

'cause they still have. If you can sync everything up, it seems like they still somehow could make a run if you could just get them healthy at the right time for just a few. I mean, it's only a few weeks. It seems like a long time given his health history. But you know, sometimes, you know, he's, he won an MVP, so it's obviously possible, maybe, you know, so I mean, I mean, less than two years ago he was having the.

Arguably the greatest offensive season in NBA history. Yeah, exactly. They're saying it that way is amazing. Like people were like, this is Wilt Cha. He was averaging more than one point a minute. Yeah. Insane. Totally insane. So it's not like we're talking about, you know, recapturing. Glory years from 12 years ago.

It was like, right. It was pretty recent. So, I mean, will it happen? Probably not. Yeah. I do think the east is, the east is really wide open. Mm-hmm. I could see them catching fire and maybe getting into the conference finals as possible. Are you having fun watching them? Because I feel like, I feel like that is something that has returned, like last year watching Philly was rough, brutal.

Really brutal. It was rough, but I, I do feel like they're, you know, McCain before McCain, I guess after McCain got hurt, I should say. I mean when he started to come on, but this year with Edgecombe, like that guy is a blast to watch. Like you have to feel like you hit hit Payard with him. Yeah. It's weird.

That's the thing with Darryl Morrie. The, the Mbbi and Paul George contracts are like pretty crippling, but all the other moves, he, he's so good and he has this reputation of being like, you know, obsessed with stars and trying to create these like, you know, star fueled juggernauts. But his, his like moves are on the edges are so good.

Like, he's such a good, he drafted Maxie, he drafted McCain, he drafted Edgecomb. He does like. The Uber signing was like so good. Yeah. Like he, that nobody wanted Uber and he's off the garbage heap. Yeah. Off the garbage heap. He's some, there are games for sure when he's our best player. Um, so I do, I do love him.

If I'm able to turn my brain off, which is actually like, it's actually weird that I even care about the dead money. It's like who care? Time up. I know. It always is weird when people say it. I'm just like, I'm like, wait, but why do I care? It's, yeah. Why I care. They're having fun. Like, yeah. So I shouldn't care.

I still do sometimes. Yeah. I mean, I want indeed to have generational wealth. Fine. Good. Yeah. Take the money. Sounds great. Yeah. Take Josh Harris's money and make it yours. I love that. Exactly. Sounds great. But back to the Philly schools. Yeah, exactly. That's right. So it's a nice, it's a nice, uh, wealth transfer.

But yeah, it's fun. I mean, I love the guards, you know, whether I take 'em seriously as a powerhouse. Probably not. I mean, it all speaks to the like various, what's the most enjoyable. Type of fandom, it's low expectations and having them exceeded definitely always. What's good? Oh my gosh, for sure.

Oh, that's al. It's always the most anxious when you have, are way up high. And then feel like unless you're, unless you're maybe Oklahoma City right now, because you, you gotta be feeling pretty good if you're, you're them, because I can't even imagine what they're feeling. It seems like they can't, they're completely unbeatable.

They look like Golden State 2017 right now. More so I think because they're about to. They're, they look like maybe the best team of all time. Yeah. And they're probably gonna get a top three pick or a top five pick if they Yeah, that happens. And they haven't even had, they haven't even really been fully held.

I mean, they're gonna break the league. I've been saying this for like two years. Yeah, they might. They might zoom. Zoom out. I just heard, of course, you know, speaking at the Eastern Conference, Giannis maybe wanting to be traded. If you're Oklahoma City, do you just go ahead and trade for Giannis? They've got the, they've got the assets.

No, they don't. They don't touch anything. You're the best team. You're talking about maybe being the best team of all time. Yeah. Or, or in that conversation don't get, you don't get a little, you don't get a little greedy, you know? No, you don't touch anything. You just keep stacking those assets. You keep, you don't want too many guitars, is what you're saying.

Too many guitars. Well, also, like the way Presti builds things is he just drafts, he's like, he just draft, he's like the best drafter. So if they get, they can't. You know, they gotta step in and not get them a top draft pick. It will, because it just feels like part of the Clipper's curse. Right. I know. Well got the Clippers pick this year and they've still got it next year too.

Somehow. Crazy. Like, how is that possible? I kinda love it because I don't know, I don't actually don't know anything about Steve Balmer, but to me he represents like, I know this insane, uh, you know, gross billionaire. The whole, uh, thing that Pablo Tory,, brought it kind of into the light is certainly an interesting situation to say the least.

We'll see where, how it resol the NBA decides to resolve it. But you know, it's, you don't like people using their money for co the competitive advantage, like the whole point of the league is to imagine that there's, an ability to compete and if you start doing stuff like that, it messes stuff up. So, but it does feel like, it does feel like it's, it would be.

If we believe in a curse, it does feel like the Clipper's pick is destined to go to Destined KC, who just won 70, who will have won like 70 something games and probably won another title. And then they get the number one pick and then they gotta get, they gotta get a, like a, some kind of camera on Steve Baller of that.

Yeah. Bomber's head closed. We gotta see because he, he does give some, classic reactions to things, so, yeah. Anyway. Alright, we'll zoom out on the, the Eastern Conference. Then more broadly, you mentioned maybe a conference finals, but who do you think is, is real and who's just smoke? Because I, I've had a hard time, I kind of thought that Western Conference would be just this, this juggernaut, top to bottom, but it kind of feels like that those top teams are, maybe even the top team is way farther away from some of the teams in the, in the west than in the east where I don't, I honestly don't even know.

Who, I mean, who's up, who's up there? Like who do you think has a shot? Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's the only reason I think the Sixers could make any kind of conceivable run. It's not because I think they're good, it's just because the east just feels like a total shit show., I really don't, I actually don't really like any east team very much because I think, I really think Cleveland is like weak.

Weak. I don't believe in it at all. Um. I, , Donovan Mitchell. Looks amazing. Yeah, he looks amazing. I love Dono. I, I, I, I should say that, I should clarify that I'm a Donovan Mitchell fan. Yeah. Just, , and I have, I just have a real bad taste from the playoffs last year. Yeah. And I've watched 'em a little bit this year, and I, there's just some things soft that I see.

I like the Knicks. They're fun, but they're, you know, they're kind of scrappy. Mm-hmm. I don't know. They, they don't feel like intimidating. I don't know. Heat look kind of good. I'm sorry. It gets too quick though, right? You start to think, yeah, what are we talking about here? Should, should Tatum come back if he, you know, is healthy?

And maybe Bo maybe Boston can actually make a run. I don't know. Totally. Yeah. That, that's the, I think what we're dealing with is like the Boston void, right? Like if Boston was full strength, it would be up there. Best forward to Boston, OKC. But um, yeah, the East is a, i I like it. I, I mean, I think it's actually.

More fun when it's like this and you, I can fantasize that my, you know, the, the, the meniscus, the Menis guy could make a, conference finals run. Whereas I had, I had hope for the bulls even at the start of the season. Oh yeah. I don't know. I don't know what ha I don't know what has happened. They've dissolved into a puddle now, like eight of eight of nine.

So, but if you're in the west, like what do you even, how do you even like build your team? Because. You just gotta be thinking that, like you gotta go through OKC for the next three to five years and they look unbeatable. So yeah. What do you do if you're, if you're Giannis, do you , even push for any teams out west or you're just like, keep me whatever you do, just trade me a to a team in the East?

Or do you want I know if San Antonio's got, could probably get him too. I mean, that would be a cool team with Giannis and Weby, but Yeah. And you're in the West and, and Weby gets hurt all the time. I wanna see him go to the Lakers just 'cause God, I just, oh my God. I just, because they could throw Austin Reeves, you're, you're all over the conspiracy theories right now.

Oklahoma City's getting the first pick and the Lakers get Luca Donitz and then Yiannis in the next year. They straight everybody. LeBron Austin Re who are they? Who are they trading for? Who, hang on. Who are they giving up for? They gotta get, they didn't have re was a top 30 player probably. I think so. .

That might get you there as far as the money then picks maybe, and then all the picks you possibly can. Probably four picks and four swaps. That probably more, that's probably more than they, than they gave up for, uh, dridge. So may maybe, they'll do it. Yeah, way more. I, it's not really realistic, but I just think, you know, I'm just.

If they can cut, if they can cut the Milwaukee owners and then some of , the Middle East, , money that the Lakers got for, there's a side deal there.

Well, I want to get you outta here, in the, in around the 30 minute mark. So I had just a quick few quick hitters here.

First one, any holiday traditions that you've got or you're looking forward to? Um, well, drug seber is a big one. Which, uh, are you make that a year really tradition. I know you guys missed a couple years then. We miss we miss years, but I will say we always consider it, you know, we always hold the dates and sometimes we can pull it off and sometimes, yeah, it's harder when everybody's spread out hard and, you know, it's, it's a lot.

It's like that you think about like what. I don't know anybody who has like a mellow December, you know, December's just crazy for every Yeah. Seriously. So it's like you gotta move heaven and earth to get everybody into, into this tiny little bar essentially. And put on Yeah, like an arena sized rock show.

So, yeah. That's crazy. Oh, it's worth it. And, um, yeah, so that, and then, you know, all the traditions with my kids. Nice. So we make it really special. What about, uh, things you're thankful for as the year winds down? Um, thankful for my family, um, and for my, my band who are like, uh, another family to me for sure.

That's awesome. As we go through, you know, like we're at the stage now of our career where I've been in, in the band almost 20 years and crazy, like half your life, right? People get sick and parents die, and yeah, big life changes happen. And, and it's like those things pull you closer together and Yeah. You know, that's how bands stay together.

That's cool. Yep. So I'm, you know, they've been, I've been through a little bit, some big changes in my own, uh, this year and my band has been like super, uh, supportive of me, so That's awesome. I'm definitely thankful for the best friends. It's such a privilege to make music with like. My best friends. Yeah, it shows.

It shows. I think maybe that's why the music's so good Right. Comes out that, that togetherness comes through. Thank you. Uh, speaking of that, any, you mentioned the Beach Boys and being on the top of your Spotify list. What about other music books or coffee recommendations, uh, going into the winter? If you've got time, time off, what would you, uh, recommend people checking out?

Um, I would say. Uh, the Beach Boys Christmas album for sure. That's like, uh, every year. That's the LP that just breaks it out. Plants on my turntable and doesn't leave. Okay. And I just sit there and flip it. Um, I have gotta give a shout out to, um, uh, a record called Entrance Music by Steve Koski, who is an Asheville friend who's a, a, just a god level pianist, nice jazz pianist, and actually kind of has a Vince Aldi.

Vibe to it. So I'd recommend, uh, everybody check that out. Um, books. I just, my daughter is, uh, a big reader now and instead of reading to her, she likes me to read with her. So I, like, she wants to like sit next to me and we read together, which has been awesome for me, like reading. That's super awesome. And recently I grabbed Ender's Game off the shelf.

Okay. Um, which is like a, you know, young adult classic. Yeah. And I hadn't read it in years and I grabbed it and like was up the whole night. I was like, oh shit, this is the best book ever. That's a great feeling. Yeah. So if any, you know, I feel, I mean, it's a big book. A lot of people have probably read it, but it's, it's a great, uh, revisit.

Nice. That's great, man. Well, I so appreciate you coming on, and when Philly's in the, uh. In the Eastern Conference finals, uh, or, or they have their next meniscus tear. You got, you gotta come back on. We'll, we'll, yeah. We'll, we'll, uh, de decompress, uh, talk on that. Yeah. Hopefully I'll, I'll, uh, I'll hit up Jared too about, uh, getting you some, the, the pink champagne.

All right, man. Take care. All holler. Holler if, uh, holler if you're ready to talk.

Any, anytime. I'm, I'll make it. I'll make some time. Awesome. You got it Aaron,