Iconic Seasons Offseason: Rediscovering Music with The Anxious Rambler

In this special episode of Iconic Seasons Offseason, we're joined by a very special guest: The Anxious Rambler, who also happens to be my wife! As the NBA finals draw to a close, we shift gears and dive deep into the world of music, exploring her fascinating journey through the sounds of the 80s and 90s.

Despite being born in the early 80s, The Anxious Rambler has an impressive knowledge of 80s music, thanks to her older siblings who introduced her to iconic bands like The Doors and Led Zeppelin at a young age. She shares heartwarming stories of how her brother, significantly older, influenced her musical taste and how music became a significant part of her life.

We discuss her academic journey, which took an unexpected turn when she decided to pursue music studies, leading her to internships with Capitol Records and a booking agency in Nashville. Her passion for music is evident as she talks about her favorite bands, the impact of Seattle grunge in the 90s, and how music has always been a refuge during times of crisis.

In this episode, we also get a glimpse of her storytelling talent as she reminisces about the bands and songs that shaped her childhood and beyond. From the Gin Blossoms to Pearl Jam, we explore the lyrical depth and emotional connection that music brings.

Tune in for an engaging conversation filled with nostalgia, personal anecdotes, and a shared love for music that transcends generations. Whether you're a music enthusiast or simply looking for a heartfelt discussion, this episode has something for everyone.

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Chapters

• 18:56 Lyrics and what they mean
• 30:08 Songs that sound like the 80s in the best way

Transcript

  All right. We are here with an episode of Iconic Seasons offseason, although the NBA finals are quickly approaching the end, and I've got a very special guest to me, the anxious rambler, my wife here, uh, and we've been talking about doing an episode forever. I've been wanting to get her on the show. So welcome to Iconic Seasons.

How did I convince you to do this? So we're going to talk a little bit about music today. I got you laughing already, which is good.  I want to start out with a softball for you, but this is always blows my mind because I'm older than you. I was actually born in the seventies. Uh, you are not, but somehow you have a knowledge of the eighties and eighties music that has always baffled me because I didn't really get into music until the nineties or later.

And so it, you are rediscovering music through me often. I really appreciate that. So I'm going to start you off there. Uh, how did you get into, how did you get developed such a large database of 80s music information? Right. 

So I was born in 1982, so I was very young through  the rest of the eighties  to the point where a lot of people don't even remember being five, six and seven years old.  On top of having an excellent memory, I have a lot of great memories from that time because my Two siblings are quite a bit older than I am.

My brother was born in 1971 So he's eleven and a half years older than me. My sister was born in 1974 she's eight and a half years older than me. Just outing their ages there. I know Well, it's okay. I'm 41 obviously. I outed myself too. So. Proud of it. Um, yeah, my brother and I were really close He,  treated me like I was almost his kid.

We have a great dad, but my parents were older when they had me. Well, in their late thirties, which  maybe then was a little bit older.  So, um, yeah, my, my brother went to college, um, when I was going into first grade, he was a freshman in college, but he always, ,  Would always teach me like new bands that he was into and I think he always got a kick out of you know like a six or seven year old loving the doors and led zeppelin and then  In the early 90s when he was in college, of course I was like very pivotal and like seattle grunge and he was very into pearl jam and so pearl jam was my favorite band when I was in like third grade and so   We've been talking about their new album too, which I love, so if people haven't checked out.

It's great. They really haven't changed a lot either. I know. Sometimes bands over 30 years, especially the singer, their voice can Right. Can change a lot. Okay. So give me one of the things I wanted to do is you always have this storytelling  arc to Song, so i'm hoping that you have a song in mind Otherwise i'm putting you on the spot and you'll just have to think of something But a song that you want to talk about and give like a description maybe about  what it meant to you or just some knowledge because you took courses on music.

Yeah. Did you major in music? Yeah  So I started out, uh, I know, right. So basically, so I, I, you, I started out in the school of education and wasn't happy doing that. And, , one of the many times I went through like a life crisis, I  always turned to music or going to concerts or an album or something of that nature.

And Going into my, like, between my sophomore and junior year of college, I, um,  was using music in concerts, and there were a lot of new bands, like, 2002, 3, new music coming out so  I did an internship with Capitol Records, but from school So basically they would send me to concerts within  Whatever distance I was willing to go to and I would promote the bands that were playing under Capitol records or bands that were maybe like a Capitol records artists that, that people might like that were similar to their artists.

So anyway, I decided I'm halfway done with school, but I really want to do something with music. So I went to an advisor who set me up with the school of continuing studies and put me through.  to like the individualized major program. And  basically I would have had to go almost an extra two years to create a music business major.

So they advised if I go through the school of continuing studies and I minor in music, I can just take whatever classes I want and still get a bachelor's degree, do an internship. So that's what I did. So my last two years of college, all of my classes were different music history classes. Music of the Beatles, music of Frank Zappa, music of Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, 60s, right.

So, um,  I had to take like some music theory classes and things like that, which I didn't love quite as much. But, yeah, and so, and I did an internship with a booking agency that owns some venues in Nashville. So, that. Is my, am I talking too much? No, you're great. Give me, give me, so I'm going to bring you back around to my, to my question.

Cause I got you sidetracked actually.  The storytelling, if you had a song in mind,  just to, just to talk about, to give, to give everyone else a flavor of what I get all the time. We've been talking about a bunch, even this week, which is great, which is great. Are you looking for a song from like my childhood or can it be current as well?

 Let's start with childhood in the, in the eighties. Cause I wanted to talk about some of the other podcasts that we listened to and give a suggestions on those that people haven't checked them out, but just to, uh, eighties song or you can go nineties if you want to.  Okay, I'm probably not going to directly answer your question, but I'll  Okay. You just want me to start talking? I just let it roll.  That's what, this is what I wanted, I liked it. So,  okay, I don't know  off the top of my head,  which probably sounds strange to you because I always have  lyrics  and songs that mean  A ton to me, but if I'm thinking specifically from like the 80s or 90s, so we just were talking about the gin blossoms, right?

Yes, I see. We've been saying that along with crowded house all week. Yeah. So, um,  I don't know specifically that   for example, Jim Blossoms have  lyrically have something super specific to me, but to speak of like as a kid, what, what music meant to me. So  things that I love about, about music are  and lyrics are like lyrically when songs  as cheesy as it sounds,  literally  speak to my heart.

you know, lyrics are really important to me and in music and all songs.  Then in addition to that, when the lyrics  hit you in the heart, that the music hits you in the gut. So songs like, my morning jacket, you know, I love, I love them. So I do love, there are a lot of like their songs lyrically that I love, but.

I think I've explained to you before if a song makes me feel like  I'm going to reference Don Henley Boys of Summer probably many times because I have, I have another song in mind that I'm going to speak of that makes me feel that way. But you know, in that music video where he's just riding in the back of a convertible and it's like Santa Monica Boulevard or something or like in California and the wind's just blowing so If a song makes me feel like it's a cool summer evening, and the wind is blowing through my hair, and giving you that feeling of just euphoria, and the words, you're just like, Yes!

Yes! They wrote this for me! I swear you, you listen to the words before the music sometimes, which is, always throws me off, because before you, I don't even know if I looked at lyrics. Yeah, you told me that , and I was blown away because lyrics mean I would tattoo my whole body in song lyrics  , because of how much they mean to me, which I do have song lyrics tattooed on me, but they're all from the same band, of course.

And, um, we'll get to that. Save that, save that. Yeah. That's probably gonna, like I said, be like a 10 episode series going into that.  So what song are you picking?  Okay, I, I mentioned Gin Blossom, so we'll go with that, right? Which one, yeah. Also, though, I could say any, like, Pearl Jam song, too, from Ten, because  Without making this podcast three hours long, so  I know I, I told you about the school music school with my brother, right?

So when my brother was in college, of course he had, he would come home and he had  one of those massive early nineties.  Six or eight disc CD changings, like the system that you can  use the remote and it changes the CD. And then he's got the, like two big speaker towers.  So, he would be home, it'd be like Saturday, he'd be visiting and he'd be, he'd holler for me, Cassie?

And I'd be like, what?  Get down here, it's time for school. And he would play a song, start at the beginning or in the middle. He'd give me like three seconds and he'd say, what is this?  And I'd have to guess. My favorite memory, which is hilarious because I loved the Beatles even as a small kid, my parents loved music.

My parents were born in the late 40s. So they grew up with the Beatles, same age as them, but he was playing, , hit play. I think like the first song he did was a Doors song. The Oliver Stone movie had come out. I When my brother was in college, so the doors became not that they were ever not relevant, but very relevant again to like that age of kids in their early twenties. I think it was like a door song and I got it right. And then the next song he played and I said, is this Sesame Street?  It was love me do by the Beatles. The harmonica at the beginning,  but also Beatles and Sesame Street have.  undercurrent that  Shares some of the the same things right the simplicity of it But yeah beauty in it right as well But what's great about the Beatles too is that people thought that they were like in the beginning very wholesome and sweet but a lot of their songs have very like sexual undertones Which romantic at least I know very much about from my history of the Beatles class.

Yeah You That I didn't get one answer wrong on any exam, by the way.  So anyway, if  that memory is very vivid because.  It was hilarious and the joy in his face thinking like how funny it was but also precious at the same time. Yeah, just like me right now. I was like that's almost a right answer. But I was so embarrassed because I was so proud of my music knowledge at like eight and nine years old that that is when I officially became the craziest little Beatles fan  in the world.

Also for my birthday that year.  My brother got me The Doors greatest hits on cassette tape, so I listen to that in my Walkman all the time. But, yeah, so, we would go visit my brother at least once a week, even if it was for a day, because  I would cry at school, I would cry at night, I missed him, I would have to call him all the time, and  I always would fall asleep in the car.

My, I still do. My mom would always be like, she's the best traveler. She sleeps the whole way. But we'd get into Bloomington and she would be like, Oh Cassie, we're here. And I would get my Walkman out and put my mixed tape on and it would be like,  Hey, jealousy, Jeremy. And so when I hear those songs, I'm like, Instantly like transported back to being like seven or eight or nine years old  driving.

Like right when you drive into Bloomington, now it's where we exit onto 69 but there's like a steak and shake. There's a Walmart over there.  And I that feeling of just like my heart is going to burst and butterflies in your stomach and your head tickles and tingles a little bit.  If music makes me feel that way. 

Then, yeah, that's all I need. Yeah, I have to say that's something that you've done to me, too. I don't think I had the time and place.  Aspect of music as locked in as I do now. I'm almost more careful with my music. That's something that you have pointed out where you're like, I don't want to listen to this now because it means something or. 

It could lock this time in, even in bad situations where we'll be like, we'll avoid, we'll avoid, uh, something like, no, not right now. If I'm feeling a certain way. Yeah. That's interesting that you then associate that, that hate jealousy when those, the, those songs with a time and have such a specific travel memory.

And that's what I think is interesting about the way that you have used music throughout your life.  Uh that it's, , there's a depth to it that I don't, I don't have, but I think is really interesting.  So I wanted to then just talk a little bit more about lyrics. I don't know if you have a lyric that you wanted to share, ,  because I do think the way that you pick out lyrics to add meaning to a situation or to even to the song, because again, like I said, when I listened to. 

Music, I kind of listened to it holistically. Even you mentioned Pearl Jam. I can think of like singing along with those songs, but never even thinking about what they meant. They've got some pretty dark  meanings to them. So, and I think there are different ways to listen to songs. And of course, I think that's what the artists want too.

They want them to mean, be able to mean different things to different people. But I don't know if you have a lyric or a song that, uh, in mind that, that really hits for you lyric wise. I just had like 30 run through my mind. Also,  how long is the whole catalog of every war on drugs song? Because,  let's be real,  yeah. 

Of course, I have a million things from them. I also have a notebook upstairs with lyrics in it for tattoo inspiration But  one thing I will say I do  think in some ways like I'm kind of a music snob, but also I'm not because I can appreciate any Musician or  lyricists, even if it's not considered cool.

Like for instance, your one direction phase, one direction, which stemmed from Harry Styles, right? I love Harry Styles. I actually think you taught me. I got into it like one direction, almost backwards. It was at the very end. Right. But it was because of Harry Styles and I knew they were breaking up and thought I feel like this and I told you that I was like, I feel like he's not going to be boy band, right?

He has done a great job, but like when I was in middle school and I loved Hanson Everyone made fun of me but Backstreet Boys and NSYNC Everyone loved them and I would always say but Hanson plays their own instruments and writes their own music  So I have no shame in having my hands in. That's one thing you've definitely taught me is to just appreciate the music for yourself.

I'm way less precious about music now that I was like, I had to only listen to a certain kind of indie rock and that was it. And if it was outside of that zone, I was like, no, or very cool rap music, you know, that stuff, but could not listen to pop music at all. I'll be cooler with my lyrics in a moment, but  One that I have heard the last two days.

Bop is one you're gonna use. That has really stuck out to me though. Okay. So we, we talked about Kaleo a few years ago. Oh yeah. No, a few weeks ago. Yeah. That they had some songs that I liked and they sort of fell off the map. They might not be like the coolest band ever, but they do have a few songs that I like.

But I did listen to one today, and there's a line where he says life is anything but fair.  And I love that. Like, it jumped out to my ear, and then it made me want to re listen  to that song. Um,  of course.  The War on Drugs, they have. Why did you say it like that? Because, well, I guess no one can see me, but it's just like, of course I'm going to say the War on Drugs.

You've got your War on Drugs shirt on, NBA logo. This is old school. It is. Um. You have to get that on Etsy now, they don't sell it anymore. Yeah, you and I have our thing we say to each other, I love you babe and I'll be there till the end. Yeah, yeah.  In the same song, like, wondering where my friends are going, and wondering why they didn't take me.

I mean,  That, like prior to, I love you, babe, and I'll be there till the end, you know, that was like one of the first lyric, lyrics that jumped out at me in that song where I was like, yeah, this is my song. Because  especially around the time that   Slave Ambient came out, which was the first version of, yeah, yes.

The first version of Brothers that I heard, we had moved back to,  The town that I'm from in Indiana and do you want to give a give the listeners a intro to the war on drugs in case They've never heard them before and why, why you crazy. Well, but why you like, I just think that music now is so diversified and so, so fractured that it, a lot of, there's a lot of great hours long.

If you ask me that, you know, that's fine. That's, this is the point of, how deep do you want me to go? Because I feel like that's going to be, it could be a whole new, we can come back. We can come back. Yeah. I meant just a, yeah. An overview because you've referenced them a couple times now and I think there's, again, you can tell by wanting to tattoo one of their lyrics on yourself that they mean a lot too.

Sorry. Uh, so just maybe like  hitting on maybe some of the eighties too that tied us in at the beginning of the episode, you know, some of their influences that you hear or that they've distilled in their music.  Sure. So,  I don't even know where to begin. So,  I think  the music to my ear, it's like it's everything that I love.

There's  synthesizer, synthesizer. I love, like, the different effects on the guitar, I love that they can rock, like, put four on the floor, but then also, , make you cry and give you, that feeling of standing in, in the wind with the gut punch and the head tickles and,  and your heart is aching and yearning for something else, but. 

They have that perfect combination of making my ears and my heart  and my gut and my soul feel everything that music I'm gonna cry right now. Everything that music should make you feel and at the same time, lyrically, be.  They are that band that I'm always like, , do they know what I need right now? 

It's so, things, their songs are so beautifully written instrumentally and, and lyrically.  And, yeah, just the feelings that the songs give you. With the music, with the lyrics.  And then also, the fact that, you know, they write the music from,  like, real emotion and places they've been and experience. And I think because I am such a,  an emotional person and have been through a great deal.

I have, you know,  some trauma in my past and things that I will forever be working through. And so I, you called me the anxious rambler because the podcast that I've been saying, I'm going to start for two years now, just talking about, you know, mental health and ways that,  that I've worked on myself and what's worked for me.

And, um, yeah,  May I use the term soul brother?  You can. To feel as though,  yeah, in another life we may have been,  been soul siblings.  Well, all of them really. Yeah, for sure. Well, I've been encouraging. So I've had an idea for a podcast for a while to call. No, I wanted to make it longer. So this is my idea. It was called straight through and I stole it from another one.

That's called bandsplain great podcast, but they'll go like three, four hours on a band. And I was like, let's go even longer. Gosh. So my idea was straight through. We listen to each album.  Through and break it and break down album by album, certain, certain artists. So bandsplain goes like four hours and basically breaks down the whole catalog.

But of course, like shortens it because it's just single episodes, sometimes double episodes on, on certain bands, but they're, they're pretty great. They're, they're adjacent to a few others that I have really loved as I've gotten deeper into music, 60 songs that explain the nineties. I love that. He's done 180 episodes now , which is hilarious.

Yeah. Including a book we could definitely to go with. Do that. To go with it. Uh, told you if I really enjoyed this too, that yeah, this could be like annoying. I've got that. I wanna do it all the time. I've got to Rick Beato, the guy on YouTube. Mm-Hmm.  . We watched the Professor of Rock the other night. That's how we got into the gym blocks. 

song exploder. I love to, where they take the stems and do an interview with, with the artists, which I always appreciate. That was the one with crowded house. Oh, yeah. Where they just break it down. I didn't finish your question cause I got so into that, but I will  answer that later. There's a specific song.

Well, I've got a whole list of them. You do? Well, yeah, that was the time. Yeah. Get it, get into it. What do you got?  So before we started doing this, you.  Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong. You said you were going to mention something about  like eighties music or songs currently that remind me of some of my favorite eighties songs.

Yeah. Or bands. Yeah.  Not like, I don't think for example, like the war on drugs are like straight eighties. No, I wouldn't call them that either. But.  Yeah. I mean, I'm  sure there's more than one, but specifically since I I'll start there since I've already referenced Don Henley, boys of summer and have been talking about the war on drugs.

But when their latest album came out and the first singles, I don't live here anymore.  And  I,  Also came out  at a time when I was absolutely, you know, just overcoming a traumatic time in, you know, 2020,  20 going into 2021. And,  Well, one of the things we always talked about was, you know, that I, like we may live here, but like, I'm just so mentally checked out from this place and then they're single is I don't live here anymore.

So of course I'm like, are you joking me?  And I hear it for the first time and  like had to stop it right away because  I, and I think I told you that.  right away. I was like, what, what, what, this is making me feel something. What is this? And it was that same sort of like energy and vibe that let boys of summer, Don Henley. 

And he, I think Adam sounds like like Don Henley in,  in his earlier, you know, maybe like seventies and eighties sometimes. I think the like,  just like kind of like, sweet breathiness of the way that they sing. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Uh, I think is very similar. And Don Henley, uh, you know, I love Don Henley. So, but yeah, Boys of Summer.

Sorry, I hit the microphone. Boys of Summer is one of my favorite.  Yeah, you, I use those, the word not the same, but like distilled or it's like if you want to make whiskey, you got to start with vodka and kind of distilled, distilled, distilled and, and get there eventually. And they are definitely a distillation of a lot of those, those bands that you've always talked about, they use some of the elements, but create something new, like the wall of sound, the way that it, The way that it comes at you is not the same song specifically.

I don't live here anymore. The way it starts, the like synthesizer.  Love that. Love that, huh?  And yeah, and that effect on the guitar, too. What is that? You tell me that all the time because I love that so much.  The more it's like the reverb on it. Yeah. Love that. Yeah. So you love that in my morning jacket, too.

Yeah. So that is a that is an old, you know, And a classic rock sound, I would say, I'd categorize that start, the start of I Don't Live Here Anymore, before the lyrics even begin, and the rest of the music, that right there, I think I heard the,  I  feel like you like the sense of a big room maybe,  right? I mean, I am grabbing my chest right now, and that's, I'm Like, you know, boys of summer doesn't have the identical sound, but it's that feeling makes you want to roll the windows down, right?

100%.  So that's one. Can I give you 10? Yeah, keep going. Yeah. That's because I have a playlist like this. Let me pull the playlist up. Okay. So keep your eyes ahead. Helio sequence. Okay.  It's that the rhythmic that are poly. I love the open high hat. Yes. Kind of like the Dirty Snare. Yeah. Like Sunday Bloody Sunday, U2, I love.

Good reference. The drums in that. And a lot of the songs that I like that are from maybe like 2000s. 2010s, 2020s that have that sound.  So you've got a dance background. So I feel like rhythm is always important to you. Yeah. So I don't know that. I don't know if that was an accurate representation. Yes, it was.

I know what I'm doing. I played drums.  I meant to the sound. It's the open hi hat doing a piece of it. I can't do all the drums.  So keep your eyes ahead. The helio sequence,  Kim and Jesse, M83. Okay.  That's that very, like,  that's more synthesizer, right? Oh yeah.  Yeah. I also like spacey when it makes you feel almost like you get that like outer spacey kind of like eighties thing.

Okay. Yeah.  Is it the,  I am trying to think of that song is the distant, because again, I'm thinking more about the lyrics now too. Is it the more, the dis the way that they space out? Yeah. The words and that Yeah, that's a good point.  And it's, yeah, it's breathy too. Yeah. Which is very eighties to me. Okay.

Okay. Of course then we have, I don't live here anymore. The War on Drugs. Here we go. Stockholm Syndrome. Oh boy. By One Direction,  , let me tell you, listen to it. Because it's got two songs that I love that it heavily reminds me of. And remember I found a mashup of this on YouTube and was so excited. So I don't actually think that many One Direction songs are like, Whoa, what a great song.

Listen to the instrumentation and the lyrics. I mean, some of the lyrics are cute, but it's more about, I loved Harry Styles. He was adorable. I liked his voice. I thought. When this thing is over, he's going to do something far different from One Direction, and I was right. He won't be on a laundry commercial like Backstreet Boys anytime soon.

There you go.  So, but that, um, Everybody Wants to Rule the World, which is one of my absolute, that's my, one of my favorite songs of all time. Right. And 80s songs, and then Cherish by Madonna. Okay. So, it sounds a little bit like both of those. Yeah. So I love, I don't necessarily listen to the lyrics, but, and do you know how many people who have made fun of me for being like, Oh, you listen to one direction?

Well, later in life I did. And because of Harry Styles, but that I've shared that song with, and they've been like, I like this song. Who is it?  That gets back to your premise. But guess who wrote that song? Who wrote it? Harry Styles wrote that song. Well, I can imagine their producers, too, are probably closer to our age, and so maybe have some of those references like you, because they probably were music nerds growing up, unlike me.

Chantel and I saw  One Direction's producer who was also Harry Styles producer for his first album in Nashville at Barista Parlor getting coffee. Recognized him from all those One Direction videos I had watched. You recognized the producer. Amazing. All right, keep going. Um, you'll love this one. Revelator Eyes by the Paper Kites.

That's  a fantastic song. You love that one.  Yeah.  I'll put in a snippet here.  Over me singing. Well, you know, around it. So the singing on that one, it does have some space to it too, but it is,  they sing that. It's the guitar. They sing that more with the, they sing with the rhythm a little bit more. That's how old Adam's guitar sounds sometimes.

Yeah.  Okay.  In my head I hear it, okay. I got it, I got it. You can keep it in there, other people might hear it too. Do you want the next one? Keep going, yeah you're doing great. Run My Heart, Twin Shadow. Oh wow, you should tell the Twin Shadow.  The hi hat. Twin Shadow story, where you first saw him.  Or had you seen him before? 

No, we saw him in DC. I didn't know if you'd seen him before DC. At the You saw all kinds of bands. Yeah, no, I hadn't seen them before. They were all wearing like Fox Racing uniforms.  Incredible. Had a hi hat that was like, what, 12 feet in the air? Yeah, he was just like leaping and smashing the hi hat. And then he'd jump up and  hit it.

It was so cool. It was cool. Who were we waiting to see? Lord Euron, I think. Cool stage presence. Yeah. After we had a little time, somebody else was playing that stage. Not an 80s sounding thing. Band, really. I thought about it, but no. I considered them, but no. Yeah, they're, I guess, more derivative of country, like a, like a modern country.

I feel like their first album and their, the second album went for, like, more of an old Western sound. Yeah. Which I also, I love both. Yeah, like an updated version of that. Yeah, the first two. Okay.  I feel it coming. The Weeknd featuring Daft Punk. The music in that, also the way he sings, too. You're gonna have to play it to hear it.

Sure. You'll hear it. Okay.  Super connected, broken social scene. Oh, wow. Deep cut there. Yeah. I just, uh,  You feel it in people just had 20, I think 20 year anniversary. Isn't that crazy? One of their albums had a 20 year anniversary. Well, probably right. Because that was when I was a senior in college. That album.

Yeah.  And that song, I remember liking like driving to and from work, listening to broken social scene. And then,  Um, Alkaline by Paper Twin.  I don't even know. Well, how do I not know that one? Okay. When you and I went to see Elton John in Nashville and then went to the stranger things pop up bar,  that song was playing and it sounds  like the stranger things theme music,  but,  but vocally it's that almost like. 

Revelator eyes. Cause I thought it might've been the paper kites and it wasn't. It's, what did I say? Paper twin.  But like I don't, I do actually have a couple of paper twin songs in Apple music, like in rotation. But that song specifically I've probably listened to a hundred times.  2019 maybe more than that.

You know how I get with playlists. I know.  Lastly,  not that I think this whole song is very 80s, but it's the way, I think like the chorus, it's the synthesizer and the way his vocals are layered in the chorus, satellite Harry Styles. Not Dave Matthews.  Oh, God, no. No.  Sorry. Dave Matthews is talented. I'm sorry.

Shantel. Shani loves Dave Matthews. My best friend loves Dave Matthews. I think, again, I love, I only said it just because it's, it's funnier for you.  I listened to a lot of Dave Matthews. In fact, I could bust out some guitar satellite on the guitar right now if you need me to. Oh yeah, I forgot that that was a song too, by Harry Styles.

Okay. Do you hear what I mean? I do, I know what you mean.  It's more, there's a synthesizer in it, but then in the chorus, I like how you worked Harry Styles back into it. The way his voice is layered, right? I swear that  He, he's not my favorite artist,  but yeah, it's just more current, right? I mean, I think he's, I think he ended up good.

Like I said, me 20 years ago would not have listened to him and would have missed out on good songs, which is so stupid. It's just like, I was very into him in like 2018, 2017. Well, what, when did his album come out? 17? Yeah. And then I, I, it sort of fell off a little bit, but. I still, I, I, I love Harry Styles, not in the same way that I used to, but I still love him.

Sure.  What else you got over there? That's 10. That's 10? Yeah. That's 10 songs. That's 10 songs. 10 songs that explain the 80s.  Yeah. If you want current songs that explain the 80s. With current, with current, with current, uh, current artists. Yeah. Okay. I like it.  What else? What else? You want to go anywhere else here tonight?  Crowded House.  Not that I have much to input on it, but I thought you were.

Was that just the. , inspiration to do this when we  listen to the crowded house. Well, I had taught, well, it was about doing exactly. I was gonna, I was going to talk about song explode. I talked about song exploder a little bit, but I didn't really have anything. I don't know anything about crowded house.

That was  not that I really do either, but I do don't dream it's over.  It was sort of where that, this whole idea started because I was like, do you remember when I sent you that song when I was away from you? And  like lyrically  I thought I heard it and it was like,  Listen, listen to these lyrics. It's a great song.

Yeah. Also great story again behind it. But I love that. That's also if we categorize favorite songs from decades, that's probably in there as well. But it has that Hammond organ. Oh yeah. Which one of my maybe top five  Favorite top ten for sure favorite songs of all time wider shade of pale. All right, they use that too Yeah, and they didn't remember the crazy thing was he didn't even know what that was That was just that was just like the producers like hey, we should put this in there Which is why else's favorite song wider shade of pale is who? 

John Lennon. Oh, really? Yeah Wow Make sense, right?  For another time. We'll save that story.